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welcome to skeptical where we explore

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controversial science with leading

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researchers thinkers and their critics

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today well as the creator and host of an

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byte Gnostic radio miguel connor truly

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is the ultimate veteran of a thousand

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existential deep dives through his

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interviews with nearly all of the

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notable esoteric thinkers of our time

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Miguel has become recognized as a

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leading voice of not just Gnosticism

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which has always been his foot in the

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door of your mind calling card but the

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leader of I think an undeniable

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alternative spirituality zeitgeist that

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were all in the middle of so it's great

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to talk to Miguel I gained so much from

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him and he is like one of my go-to

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mystics so it's just great to have you

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back Miguel thanks for joining me always

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a pleasure to be here my friend we

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always have a lot of fun and as always

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two old guys from Chicago gonna try to

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figure out reality have an old style at

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the pump and you know talking about you

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well not these days we can't go to the

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pub we'll get arrested that's true so

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you know I twisted Miguel's arm to come

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on and help me with this project that

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I'm working on that listeners have kind

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of had to endure and my kind of

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stumbling through the evil question so

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we're definitely going to want to talk

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about that but Miguel also has some

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interesting things going on over it and

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I always does including possibly a new

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podcast maybe we'll talk a little bit

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about esoteric health and addiction or

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how would you put that Miguel what

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well it's been a something at the back

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of my mind how there's not that much

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media out there to deal specifically

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with addiction and mental issues from al

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alternative science I mean there's a lot

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about ELLs podcasters and shows do it

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but there's not out there's really not

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much out there and it's something I can

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address from a my experience and the

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esoterica and B is somebody who is a

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recovering drug addict somebody who is I

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traditional medicine that I'm bipolar

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and it seems like it seems the time is

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right especially as well we knew that

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the collective consciousness of humanity

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was breaking down but in 2020 it's gonna

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crumble and people I think we are in a

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time where people are slowly gonna turn

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away from the traditional because the

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traditional keeps screwing us and

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finding alternative methods get away

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from the pharmaceutical industrial

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complex get away from psychiatry get

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away from the usual stuff and find

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alternatives that have worked you know

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the data tells us like you always say

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follow the data and the data says

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alternative medicine vitamins and other

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you know forgotten methods do work or

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can work or should be an option at the

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very least you know absolutely I mean I

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talk more about that because I think

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it's extremely timely and as you said

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it's it's just in keeping with where

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people totally get this it's all about

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biohacking it's about you know ice baths

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which I do but it's about breathing it's

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about you know yoga and it's about that

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between that and kind of this extended

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consciousness science that continues to

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kind of get all this traction that you

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talked about and I talked about so I

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think it's a great great idea and I

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be in service to a lot of people so

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we're going to talk about that what are

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we back up I think everybody knows you

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but invariably I'm just gonna jump in

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and talk about a lot of inside baseball

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so before I do that tell people a little

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bit about your background and a bite and

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kind of who you are rundown kind of

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how much there is to say once upon a

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time as many of your listeners as you I

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was a seeker sought for many years fell

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into many traps discovered many doorways

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that somehow ended up hit for me hitting

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walls and I really about 13 years ago

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discovered Gnosticism and I can't say I

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discovered is as a religion but more is

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a philosophy and aesthetic and attitude

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and my interest immediately was not just

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world almost in real time what I was

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discovering and I was very fortunate to

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before the golden age of podcasting do a

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little podcast and was able to score a

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lot of great guests the translators of

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the NAG Hammadi library the gnostic

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philosophical to the religious and the

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child for the last 13 years and honestly

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and it's a it's done very well I can't

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complain well it's been a constant

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source of really inspiration is kind of

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an overused term but but it has and just

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millions and millions of downloads and I

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just know from the community and the

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waters we swim in you are held in the

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highest regard you're somebody who's

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actually penetrated some to a certain

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degree the academic circles which I

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think is truly amazing and you

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like you were invited down to Rice

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Jeffrey [\h__\h] hats off for him for

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realizing that this kind of avant-garde

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journalism thing that you are doing is

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really where the action is and it's not

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in these stodgy conferences that no one

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more people are going to realize if you

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just sit back and listen to a on bite

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you're getting the kind of education

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that you can't get at a university or at

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a conference or anything like that it's

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it's a shit's a [\h__\h] show if you pardon

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my language so I think this information

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of history they're the the guys outside

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penetrate the amazing machinery that has

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is you can find this on YouTube I do not

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know whether the gods are faces that we

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of nature and the world personified if

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that and tell me if that does relate

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that it's all wrapped into a lot of

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metaphysical of course we both know our

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starships that society started with man

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the gods came from the stars as you've

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what is the mystery beyond us and again

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in it I guess we live in a society or

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darkness what not to be these negative

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that in line with these ancient myths

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and these ancient people so where does

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that place us in your and you know I'm

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hoping it in a lot of ways here I can

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kind of scratch beyond oh I killed an

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animal in the forest you know the

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chimpanzees kill each other it's like no

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somebody trying to reach into the

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extended realm to do something

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especially especially wicked in this

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realm is seems to be of a different ilk

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yeah I would certainly say so and the

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worst is when people go in some sort of

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state of denial well there's some

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greater purpose for it I used to get

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into arguments in uh state groups

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there's some greater purpose and I'd

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have what I call the my kiddie porn rule

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I said there is no greater purpose

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there's nothing that's ever gonna match

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the immense pain and damage that you

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have done to a child maybe a few

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children could do well but most is just

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broken souls broken psyches it's it's

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it's evil you can't call it anything

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else so I understand that but again a

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lot of our society we've we've just

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gotten used to turning a blind eye and

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it can go in many dimensions I know from

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a monastic perspective at least

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classical evil is basically anything

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that ignorant is the greater evil when

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we do not see who

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we are we don't see the universe as it

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is that and then ignorant scum in it

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comes in and that's when we do well we

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can do a lot of evil things great wars

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how easily cultures are manipulated

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damage that we do to others or you know

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spouses our children that somehow we

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rationalize so ignorant at least from

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the Gnostic viewpoint is a human a huge

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one like what does Jesus say on the

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cross Father forgive them they do not

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know what they do and then that great

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story obviously they are slaughtering

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one of the the wisest man or the son of

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God or you know the great breath the

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hero of the tale itself so ignorance is

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one way but at the same time it has to

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sometimes it has to stop short that

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there is something out there that simply

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wishes destruction that is pure darkness

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and going back to perennialism and the

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Gospel of John the Gospel of John starts

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with that beautiful in the beginning was

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the word and the word was God but

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towards the end what does it say and the

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darkness knows it not the darkness did

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not know the logos so even the Gospel of

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John presupposes an incredible darkness

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that does not like this logos coming

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into the world or creating what is good

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wandering from a personal level how does

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that shadow work for you with your with

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your practice in Gnosticism and more

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broadly because I think of you you know

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we always talk about Gnosticism because

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that's your brand and stuff like that

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when I hear you talk I hear a broader

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kind of mysticism that I love because as

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I said in the intro I so respect that

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you have had all these battles and I

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know what it's like to prepare for those

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battles every week and whether their

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battles friendly battles or not they're

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their intellectual exercises and you go

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to so many different places so how is

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that fitting in your understanding of

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this of that darkness your own personal

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shadow and projected out well yeah I

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mean that's a good point about the

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shadow what did

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in say a shadow is everything I do not

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wish to be but what I do not wish to be

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means it's inside me I mean all of us

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have a dark we are both a mixture of

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darkness of light and we have the

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ability to commit great atrocities I

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mean history shows that that over and

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over Germans who turned their faces away

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from the Jews and so many other places

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so we do have a shadow and if we don't

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watch that shadow if you don't entertain

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the darkness inside of us or at least

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understand it it will project itself in

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terrible ways I mean some movements even

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like a Course in Miracles everything is

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a projection the good and the bad and

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you're just playing a game with others

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of how to work things out in your brain

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so at the same time this is acceptance

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which is an amazing thing of the

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darkness within me the heaven and hell I

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myself in heaven and hell as a mark I am

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the persian poet said has also taught me

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that even beyond the darkness with me

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that can do so much damage to myself to

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the world and to others there is

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probably an ontological evil outside

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even beyond there are evil spirits or

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evil forces I think as even Jung himself

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admitted there is probably a Dark

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archetype he called it the devil and

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when he was having correspondence with

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Bill W the founder of AAA because Bill W

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was trying to understand how do we

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alcoholics we get a little drink and we

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do this horrible [\h__\h] to others and

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Young was like it is I call it the devil

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but we can call it the dark archit it's

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a principle of destruction and it just

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exists to cause pain across the universe

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and an incredible amount of destruction

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I wouldn't even say like I don't know

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how Hinduism works with Kali and Shiva

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is it a a quick dish but this is kind of

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torturous artistic pain upon others and

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as you're talking about these these

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satanic groups you wonder is this

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because of the dark archetype or I think

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jasonlew somebody who's been on your

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show and you two had a wonderful

404
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conversation

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about the environment but he on Twitter

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something he brought something out from

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his divine self he said the great choice

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in this century is gonna be between

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entertainment and ecstasy and it's

410
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become sort of a tagline because I look

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at these elite who they get addicted to

412
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a little bit of that entertainment

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there's that money there's that women

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there's that property and that's not

415
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enough you want more of that rush you

416
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want more of that intensity that makes

417
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you feel godlike and superior and before

418
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you know it you're taking that

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entertainment into very addictive very

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intense areas and you're doing

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atrocities you couldn't believe you are

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doing beyond the whole blackmail of the

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elite and maybe deals and dark magic

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that you eventually get to do but I

425
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think these days that's kind of where I

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am with the whole evil shadow thing it's

427
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the shadow and the archetypal evil so

428
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it's it's just got more complicated and

429
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harder but I love it well you actually

430
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:46,720
said something kind of interesting in

431
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terms of the agency of a malevolent

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force in the extended consciousness

433
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realm that's a very controversial topic

434
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in in the communities that were in you

435
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know is this all just a manifestation of

436
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our shadow or is there the connection

437
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with something we can't say real all the

438
00:20:13,860 --> 00:20:10,780
words fail us here so you kind of come

439
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down on the side of there are entities

440
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that are looking to co-mingle with us in

441
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amman Evelyn tway yes and that's what

442
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we're talking about alternative science

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I recently had jerry mark mark sinski

444
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and he and sherry sweeney over in this

445
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great book about again the failure of

446
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traditional medicine has been

447
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schizophrenia a complete failure for a

448
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hundred years I mean it's just the the

449
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pain and destruction of schizophrenia is

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like it's a pandemic when you think

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about the millions that die every year

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and they talk about these mind parasites

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who come and destroy us and of course

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that aligns well with certain thinkers

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like David I John lamb lash Lauren

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Scalia and so forth that about that and

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when you treat these and Young's even

458
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said the same when you treat them as

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their evil entities you might not have a

460
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proof but the proof would will be that

461
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your patient will heal ten times a

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hundred times faster than with

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traditional medicine or believing that

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there is no evil or believing that some

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God is it's there's a purpose and he's

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gonna take care of you if you have faith

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so yeah that's it that's the picture

468
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right there so that kind of attitude

469
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again is we're shifting towards evil

470
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that has done more good for the schizo

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for the people suffering from

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schizophrenia than the the

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pharmaceutical industrial complex has

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done for certain and I think again

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that's one way it's interesting and

476
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again it's almost like a shift in your

477
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thinking I mean it was strange because I

478
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don't know if you've heard of lawn Milo

479
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Duquette he's a great guy he's really

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one of the leading a cultists in the

481
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last thirty years in new Israel Regardie

482
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and I had him on the show a month ago

483
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and asked him about evil and he did

484
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knock wood this guy has done ceremony

485
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after ceremony from the OTO to the

486
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Hermetic Golden Dawn I mean he has been

487
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out there with the spirits and he's not

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going to accept that there was evil he

489
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wouldn't accept it of course I

490
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completely disagree with them and when

491
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the the shift in thinking is what one

492
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blogger said very well in our culture

493
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you always ask how did evil come into

494
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the world in hasta sysm you start with

495
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how did good come into the world you

496
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shifted to realize this is a hostile

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place beyond the germs and the animals

498
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and the tornados want to kick your ass

499
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this is a place where there's evil

500
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spirits walking around and they as we've

501
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seen by humanity in the world at least

502
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from my perspective this is their turf

503
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and they've been kicking our asses for

504
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thousands of years look at civilization

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although in that same interview that

506
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you're talking about

507
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with Guillermo's in ski and sherry

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Sweeney I there's the clip and you just

509
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actually said the clip that I was

510
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a player that coreos needed what matters

511
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are that these predators are real or

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should be treated as real and it was

513
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just classic Gnostic Miguel Connor

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moment for me where the universe cracks

515
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open it's like no Miguel that is the

516
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entire world of you know they're real or

517
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they should be treated as real that is

518
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to me the essential question and it's

519
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one that we keep pounding on and you did

520
00:23:43,940 --> 00:23:41,010
a great job of saying that in from a

521
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:43,950
healing modality standpoint you have to

522
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:47,370
treat them as real but at another level

523
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of just kind of a consciousness from a

524
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scientific kind of materialism idealism

525
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,330
kind of thing none of this stuff is real

526
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:00,000
from a simulation theory none of this

527
00:24:07,220 --> 00:24:03,510
stuff is real so we're somewhere always

528
00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:07,230
in this middle ground of what is real

529
00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:10,620
and what are we treating is real and it

530
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:13,470
seems to be again I'd return to the to

531
00:24:21,410 --> 00:24:16,620
the question of it does evil give us a

532
00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:21,420
different vantage point to examine that

533
00:24:25,820 --> 00:24:24,390
question yes yeah and I mean and of

534
00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:25,830
course then you have suffering is

535
00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:27,270
suffering suffering as part of the

536
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:29,460
universe but is that really evil that's

537
00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:32,220
where it it gets complicated there's the

538
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:34,260
parable the Buddhist parable that I

539
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:36,810
think of where you've got the the

540
00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:39,240
tadpole is born and daddy frog is

541
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talking to him and the tadpoles like dad

542
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what's the land gonna be like and the

543
00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:45,510
daddy frog is like you're you're in

544
00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:48,030
mercy in water I can give you metaphors

545
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,460
and analogies but until you get there

546
00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:53,520
you won't know and that's I think evil

547
00:24:58,190 --> 00:24:55,710
is real I think sherry Sweeney who was a

548
00:25:01,340 --> 00:24:58,200
schizophrenic and found these Mayan

549
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,350
parasites I think they're real but until

550
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:03,120
she was able to get out of that water

551
00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:06,210
how was I able to describe it and we do

552
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:09,150
the best we can again die I think

553
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:11,250
they're real but sometimes it's almost I

554
00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:12,900
think you was doing it too it's like

555
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:15,510
well try this way let's try an

556
00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:18,960
alternative way instead of the drugs

557
00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:20,470
that are killing you and

558
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:23,590
being your agency and numbing your soul

559
00:25:27,690 --> 00:25:26,049
and all that so I know there's a bit of

560
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:27,700
a fast

561
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:30,490
I don't know switch and bait we treat

562
00:25:35,130 --> 00:25:32,650
him like real but I think if we can help

563
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:35,140
some schizophrenic sore alcoholics or

564
00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:39,490
addicts who I mean as I've had a guest

565
00:25:45,090 --> 00:25:41,710
like Susan Martinez who wrote the the

566
00:25:48,419 --> 00:25:45,100
field guide to spirits she talked about

567
00:25:51,090 --> 00:25:48,429
how when you look at alcoholics or

568
00:25:54,180 --> 00:25:51,100
serial killers and then you compare them

569
00:25:57,620 --> 00:25:54,190
to possess people in Europe and Africa

570
00:26:00,360 --> 00:25:57,630
they're exactly the same behavior

571
00:26:03,090 --> 00:26:00,370
exactly the voices in the head the

572
00:26:05,610 --> 00:26:03,100
dysfunctional relationships it's right

573
00:26:07,950 --> 00:26:05,620
there so you start to see this really is

574
00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:07,960
about spirit and demon possession and

575
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:10,150
how are you gonna treat it but everybody

576
00:26:16,020 --> 00:26:13,929
is so trained with the science scientism

577
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:16,030
and the scientific method they're not

578
00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:17,530
good it's hard to get people to try

579
00:26:20,909 --> 00:26:19,270
something I didn't want to try something

580
00:26:23,850 --> 00:26:20,919
different 20 years ago when I was on

581
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:23,860
meds even though I was praying and going

582
00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:25,809
to Buddhist I still thought the meds

583
00:26:32,130 --> 00:26:28,630
were the ultimate cure because this is

584
00:26:37,169 --> 00:26:32,140
Darwin's world this is yes that's really

585
00:26:39,419 --> 00:26:37,179
interesting what is the fear of going

586
00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:39,429
the alternative route in particular

587
00:26:45,539 --> 00:26:41,860
going the alternative spiritual route

588
00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:45,549
for people who are in those kind of

589
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:47,590
desperate throes cuz it almost you know

590
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:50,320
logically would seem to be the opposite

591
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:51,490
would seem to be well I'll try

592
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:53,650
everything but that isn't really how it

593
00:27:01,380 --> 00:26:56,770
feels is it no no in the worst part

594
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:01,390
where the big joke is is that these meds

595
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:04,210
and these treatments block your chakras

596
00:27:09,659 --> 00:27:05,919
in your channels so you can start

597
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:09,669
meditating or doing yoga or would it

598
00:27:15,090 --> 00:27:12,250
share yes we need if she was doing Reiki

599
00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:15,100
and they will block your channels of

600
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:17,020
communication with the higher forms of

601
00:27:21,270 --> 00:27:18,850
consciousness or even to expand your

602
00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:21,280
consciousness and it it's hard I mean

603
00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:24,100
I've I remember doing like some rituals

604
00:27:30,210 --> 00:27:27,100
with ayahuasca on meds and now I realize

605
00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:30,220
I really robbed myself about 90% of that

606
00:27:33,270 --> 00:27:32,140
mystical experience that other people

607
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:33,280
are having around

608
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:35,340
that helped him so that's the

609
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,450
destructive and even the meds are our

610
00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:39,520
belief systems are so hard that can

611
00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:42,430
block us out too so it's a it's

612
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:44,350
unfortunate I mean yeah it's it's our

613
00:27:52,980 --> 00:27:49,030
conic what they've done I want to play

614
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:52,990
another clip one from an interview kind

615
00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:54,610
of a person person interview you did

616
00:27:58,340 --> 00:27:55,960
which you haven't done too many of those

617
00:28:02,790 --> 00:27:58,350
but it was with the very excellent

618
00:28:05,010 --> 00:28:02,800
Richard Smalley you know Oxford trained

619
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:05,020
best-selling authors written all these

620
00:28:11,790 --> 00:28:07,810
fantastic books a Christian but a

621
00:28:15,410 --> 00:28:11,800
Christian critic as well I want to talk

622
00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:15,420
about Christian bashing cults and

623
00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:20,350
conspiracy and because I think they play

624
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:25,180
into part another part of this evil is

625
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,490
the deception and you know that's right

626
00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:29,200
out of kind of a Christian motif yeah

627
00:28:42,530 --> 00:28:38,740
it's true deceiver Satan hey look for

628
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:42,540
the mystic and for the Gnostic

629
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:46,080
conspiracies like what do you mean

630
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:49,570
you're G in the morning goes out of your

631
00:28:55,950 --> 00:28:52,720
daily routine and you would think it

632
00:28:59,280 --> 00:28:55,960
would for the Christian as well because

633
00:29:01,050 --> 00:28:59,290
you know any just honest read their

634
00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:01,060
narrative it's all about conspiracy

635
00:29:06,270 --> 00:29:03,550
right but in its today Alex I mean have

636
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:06,280
you talked to cueing on people I mean

637
00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:08,050
there's a there Christian he's

638
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:10,630
completely embedded with conspiracy I

639
00:29:17,250 --> 00:29:13,450
mean the child thing and Satan and

640
00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:17,260
aliens I mean on so my wife is she's

641
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:19,150
well now she's becoming Greek Orthodox

642
00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:21,730
and she's embedded and cueing on so it's

643
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,140
the full Gnostic package hopping over to

644
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:28,240
another thing if you were my entry drug

645
00:29:34,170 --> 00:29:32,290
for Joe at well I think it's fantastic

646
00:29:35,790 --> 00:29:34,180
and I've had him on the show a bunch of

647
00:29:37,890 --> 00:29:35,800
times including some kind of debates

648
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:37,900
with religious scholars people who don't

649
00:29:44,290 --> 00:29:41,410
know Joe well wrote a very influential

650
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:44,300
book called Caesars Messiah the

651
00:29:50,530 --> 00:29:48,050
had this wild conspiratorial claim that

652
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:50,540
the Bible is pro-roman

653
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:53,510
don't go bother checking but every

654
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:55,730
religious scholar if you really read

655
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,410
carefully will go yeah it's kind of

656
00:30:01,390 --> 00:29:58,880
strange I've got the possibility

657
00:30:03,850 --> 00:30:01,400
pro-roman I mean there are the ones who

658
00:30:06,610 --> 00:30:03,860
killed Jesus why would we have a pro

659
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:06,620
Roman Bible and remember that these are

660
00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:11,120
the Gospels before Constantine before it

661
00:30:15,730 --> 00:30:13,190
becomes the state religion why are the

662
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:15,740
original Gospels according to Jung

663
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:17,810
Wikipedia harder ultimate source not

664
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,930
everything pro Roman well again I'm

665
00:30:25,660 --> 00:30:23,360
talking inside baseball here folks but

666
00:30:27,490 --> 00:30:25,670
if you go listen to new Gelles

667
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,500
interviews with Joe Apple or my

668
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:30,320
interviews with Joe ll work no Greg

669
00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:32,330
Carla just had a nice interview series

670
00:30:37,180 --> 00:30:35,390
but you laugh it just there's some

671
00:30:39,790 --> 00:30:37,190
historical aspects to it that are just

672
00:30:44,110 --> 00:30:39,800
kind of undeniable that the Romans had a

673
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:44,120
hand in influencing the Gospels that is

674
00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:47,450
conspiratorial but then so you want to

675
00:30:53,050 --> 00:30:49,580
jump to the qa9 thing where I was going

676
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:53,060
to go is you know if you just take the

677
00:30:58,150 --> 00:30:54,890
straight narrative right out of the

678
00:31:02,410 --> 00:30:58,160
Bible it's it's a conspiracy at every

679
00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:02,420
level from you know God conspiring you

680
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:05,030
know against in for man or man

681
00:31:10,090 --> 00:31:07,910
conspiring or just it's just a story of

682
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:10,100
one conspiracy after another so it's

683
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:13,130
always remarkable to me when you know

684
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:16,880
with the fact that conspiracy seems to

685
00:31:21,010 --> 00:31:19,490
be a problem for the non Jew

686
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:21,020
non-christians you know you're kind of

687
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:23,830
mainstream Christians it's like oh no

688
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:26,960
and I think especially for those who are

689
00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:29,510
more in the the Greek Orthodox like I

690
00:31:35,980 --> 00:31:32,300
was at a neon he's the big Q and on he's

691
00:31:37,810 --> 00:31:35,990
Greek Orthodox maybe not so much Tate

692
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:37,820
Dyer Jade R is obviously not keen on

693
00:31:42,430 --> 00:31:40,730
he's very anti Q and on but if you read

694
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:42,440
the work of let's say Greek Orthodox

695
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:45,050
scholar who excellent scholar David

696
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:46,010
Bentley Hart

697
00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:49,250
yeah and he basically says everybody

698
00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:51,230
misunderstands Paul here's how you

699
00:31:57,220 --> 00:31:54,440
understand Paul the Jesus and Paul is a

700
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:57,230
Jesus that comes to defeat the archons

701
00:32:00,300 --> 00:31:58,210
who have taken

702
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:00,310
the world so right there you've got the

703
00:32:05,130 --> 00:32:03,010
seeds of conspiracy of the matrix in

704
00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:05,140
Paul's letters and of course the

705
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,390
Gnostics ran with that story 2,000 years

706
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,000
ago but even the Greek Orthodox Church a

707
00:32:15,210 --> 00:32:12,000
morning it makes sense I mean what does

708
00:32:17,490 --> 00:32:15,220
Jesus say or what does the Satan say in

709
00:32:20,010 --> 00:32:17,500
the Gospel of Mark all the kingdoms are

710
00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:20,020
mine he owns the world and Jesus is

711
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:22,270
there the little guy trying to fight

712
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:24,250
Satan in the desert and trying to get

713
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:26,890
away so you're right it is the seeds are

714
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:28,270
there because that was probably the

715
00:32:32,780 --> 00:32:30,730
original thing you know the original

716
00:32:35,670 --> 00:32:32,790
story until like you said which I agree

717
00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:35,680
Rome because the powers that be always

718
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:37,750
weaponized anything they can get their

719
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:39,850
hands on it's just the way it is nothing

720
00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:40,890
it's gonna change

721
00:32:47,070 --> 00:32:44,200
you know again switching gears like I'd

722
00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:47,080
love to do but I just had an interview

723
00:32:53,670 --> 00:32:50,200
with the very excellent Riz verk who is

724
00:32:56,430 --> 00:32:53,680
this kind of over-the-top genius

725
00:32:58,890 --> 00:32:56,440
computer gamer kind of guy started the

726
00:33:01,860 --> 00:32:58,900
MIT game lab really successful as an

727
00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:01,870
entrepreneur and is wrote a book on the

728
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:03,880
simulation hypothesis yeah so that

729
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:05,950
interview great interview oh good I'm

730
00:33:09,540 --> 00:33:07,810
glad you played you appreciated that

731
00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:09,550
I've appreciated a lot of things he had

732
00:33:17,670 --> 00:33:12,220
to say one things that stuck with me is

733
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:17,680
the if they can they will kind of thing

734
00:33:23,370 --> 00:33:20,710
so but you know he said at the core of

735
00:33:25,530 --> 00:33:23,380
the simulation hypothesis that a lot of

736
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:25,540
people are talked about is you say okay

737
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:28,690
we all get technology is advancing even

738
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,890
if you don't buy into the singularity

739
00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:31,840
thing you say gee in my lifetime you

740
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:34,420
know here's going from a huge room down

741
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:36,130
to a little phone it's going to continue

742
00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:39,370
it's commit advance and then the the

743
00:33:48,090 --> 00:33:45,070
real kind of Gnostic car con thing if

744
00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:48,100
they can they will mmm-hmm and if we

745
00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:51,190
think about that from our own life

746
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:53,830
experience you know whether it's human

747
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:56,110
cloning and the guy in China just got

748
00:34:03,150 --> 00:33:58,570
you know put in jail for human cloning

749
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:03,160
right course we're gonna do human course

750
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,210
of course I mean

751
00:34:09,660 --> 00:34:06,640
already been done we know that but if

752
00:34:12,810 --> 00:34:09,670
you can do it you do it and and that

753
00:34:17,550 --> 00:34:12,820
really kind of hit me square in the head

754
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:17,560
like that applies everywhere so whatever

755
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:20,530
you think you know is like it seems the

756
00:34:25,350 --> 00:34:23,130
thought of the most vicious evil

757
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:25,360
manipulative thing you can think of that

758
00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:27,790
somebody's gonna do it yeah it's

759
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:29,860
entertaining I think that's it remember

760
00:34:34,830 --> 00:34:32,650
ecstasy are entertainment ecstasy is

761
00:34:37,890 --> 00:34:34,840
leaving your body and expanding your

762
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:37,900
conscious being flooded with incredible

763
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:40,690
joy that it's you but entertainment is

764
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:43,090
just well you can just look at society

765
00:34:46,340 --> 00:34:44,890
that's what the whole world is about Let

766
00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:46,350
Me Entertain You here we are

767
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,260
entertainers Netflix experiments and the

768
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:52,240
lead take it way up and of course

769
00:34:57,210 --> 00:34:55,110
scientists want to take it one step you

770
00:34:59,520 --> 00:34:57,220
know there's another side to the

771
00:35:03,920 --> 00:34:59,530
entertainment thing I always remember a

772
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:03,930
quote from Shirley MacLaine who I think

773
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:08,170
will go down as an underappreciated kind

774
00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:11,680
of mystic who was out there with astral

775
00:35:16,110 --> 00:35:14,230
travel and all that stuff and imaginated

776
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:16,120
talked about being on the frontier and

777
00:35:20,610 --> 00:35:18,760
all the Pioneer huge pioneer in the

778
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:20,620
seventies when nobody I mean it was all

779
00:35:25,850 --> 00:35:23,710
sort of psychedelic drugs and all that

780
00:35:28,530 --> 00:35:25,860
she took it really to the holistic

781
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:28,540
Blavatsky original intentions of the

782
00:35:33,390 --> 00:35:30,910
movement I heard an interview with her

783
00:35:36,750 --> 00:35:33,400
and the guy was getting on her pretty

784
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,760
good and she goes like we're all

785
00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:38,800
ultimately here to entertain each other

786
00:35:44,090 --> 00:35:42,340
hmm and I think that takes maybe with

787
00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:44,100
Jason saying in a different direction

788
00:35:47,790 --> 00:35:47,020
why do we why do we denta great

789
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:47,800
entertainment

790
00:35:53,340 --> 00:35:50,890
maybe that is our ultimate purpose at

791
00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:53,350
some level if we think multiple

792
00:35:59,370 --> 00:35:57,310
unlimited lives and karma you know to

793
00:36:01,290 --> 00:35:59,380
the nth degree but I think that's a

794
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:01,300
problem because remember in the Shirley

795
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:04,690
MacLaine model there is no room for evil

796
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:06,970
because it's just a learning experience

797
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:09,310
and we're all reflections of each other

798
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:12,010
and that's very dangerous in my view

799
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,450
because again you're turning your back

800
00:36:17,470 --> 00:36:16,000
on that ontological evil those evil

801
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,480
spirits

802
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,240
Gorka type and the horrible thing and

803
00:36:24,220 --> 00:36:22,160
then of course with these groups and you

804
00:36:26,050 --> 00:36:24,230
end up with this a horror this is what

805
00:36:28,030 --> 00:36:26,060
Mitch Horowitz said the problem with New

806
00:36:30,070 --> 00:36:28,040
Age is a whole victim shaming you know

807
00:36:32,290 --> 00:36:30,080
it's like oh gee Alex you just got

808
00:36:36,580 --> 00:36:32,300
cancer I guess it's your karma oh you

809
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,590
got raped by 20 you know bikers you must

810
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:38,240
have had a shitty life or you have

811
00:36:42,010 --> 00:36:39,920
something to work out or there's some

812
00:36:44,290 --> 00:36:42,020
destiny and instead of just calling that

813
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:44,300
what it is evil and we need to stop it

814
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:47,810
well that's incredibly interesting you

815
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:50,570
know and we certainly need to go there a

816
00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:52,730
little bit so take rich martini you

817
00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:54,200
wrote a book and did a movie called

818
00:36:57,940 --> 00:36:56,270
flipside and rich martini is kind of

819
00:37:00,040 --> 00:36:57,950
this Hollywood producer type really cool

820
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:00,050
guy he got interested in the lives

821
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:02,810
between lives work of Michael nude and

822
00:37:08,380 --> 00:37:04,850
then he particularly got interested in

823
00:37:11,859 --> 00:37:08,390
the work of these folks who do between

824
00:37:14,260 --> 00:37:11,869
lives so you know people cannot like

825
00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:14,270
that research but at some point when you

826
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:16,460
get in there there's some really solid

827
00:37:22,570 --> 00:37:19,490
parts to it I mean Michael Newton was an

828
00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:22,580
LA hypnotherapist who physicians would

829
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:25,940
send patients to who they believe just

830
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:28,400
had psychosomatic illnesses okay his

831
00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:31,490
original regression was a guy who had a

832
00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:33,140
shoulder injury and he keeps going to

833
00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:34,940
the doctor as my shoulder my children

834
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:37,640
and finally doctrine you know refer him

835
00:37:42,580 --> 00:37:40,400
over to Michael Newton because he

836
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:42,590
doesn't have any real shoulder problem

837
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:44,780
and so Michael Newton can get rid of

838
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,810
your Michael Newton's past but he can

839
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:49,280
get rid of and I'm telling the story for

840
00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:50,510
the benefit of listeners who maybe

841
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:51,980
haven't heard it I think you probably

842
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,380
know it but he's helping people get over

843
00:38:00,250 --> 00:37:56,720
fear of spiders for water all the

844
00:38:03,130 --> 00:38:00,260
typical things back in the 70s I think

845
00:38:05,790 --> 00:38:03,140
this is maybe 60s where Michael Newton

846
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:05,800
is practicing in Los Angeles and he's

847
00:38:10,650 --> 00:38:08,720
stubbornly can't fix this guy shoulder

848
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:10,660
he goes no I want you to go back further

849
00:38:19,150 --> 00:38:14,750
further further to this shoulder injury

850
00:38:20,410 --> 00:38:19,160
the guy goes I'm on a battlefield we're

851
00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:20,420
in this trench

852
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:23,020
oh no I've been stabbed in the shoulder

853
00:38:28,330 --> 00:38:26,510
and so you get the thing and Michael it

854
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:28,340
was somewhat of a history buff so he

855
00:38:32,529 --> 00:38:30,410
gathers the

856
00:38:35,289 --> 00:38:32,539
even kind of breaks protocol and gathers

857
00:38:38,049 --> 00:38:35,299
a lot of information from this guy it

858
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:38,059
turns out the guy he's able to trace

859
00:38:48,029 --> 00:38:43,490
down the guy's life in in World War one

860
00:38:51,490 --> 00:38:48,039
and verify some of the stuff long story

861
00:38:54,370 --> 00:38:51,500
fourth best forward ahead to rich

862
00:38:56,289 --> 00:38:54,380
martini flipside he starts going to

863
00:38:58,720 --> 00:38:56,299
these conventions between lives he's

864
00:39:00,130 --> 00:38:58,730
witnessing the regression so here's the

865
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,140
punch line Miguel had is they done one

866
00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:01,760
time to get there this woman is

867
00:39:08,740 --> 00:39:04,940
regressed she says oh I'm in the

868
00:39:12,670 --> 00:39:08,750
Holocaust I'm walking into the gas

869
00:39:17,289 --> 00:39:12,680
chamber oh my god I want to resist and

870
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,299
then I realize I'm with my people and I

871
00:39:24,849 --> 00:39:19,520
will just go and face my destiny

872
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:24,859
now I'm past undead and now I look down

873
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:27,170
and I see my perpetrator

874
00:39:35,470 --> 00:39:31,369
I see the Nazi guy who dropped the gas

875
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:35,480
into my tank and I realized the burden

876
00:39:43,269 --> 00:39:39,410
that he carries is far greater than what

877
00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:43,279
I'm carrying and I love that story I

878
00:39:46,990 --> 00:39:45,470
hate that story I hate that story for

879
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:47,000
all the reasons that you're saying that

880
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:49,609
oversimplified karmak you're here for a

881
00:39:55,779 --> 00:39:52,250
reason cut stuff but there's something

882
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:55,789
about that story that seems inescapably

883
00:40:01,960 --> 00:39:59,119
true in a way yeah I mean it's obviously

884
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:01,970
the power of forgiveness of letting go

885
00:40:06,430 --> 00:40:03,770
which is letting go you're Carmen of

886
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:06,440
course the power of understanding was

887
00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:09,770
the Nazi really evil or was he afraid

888
00:40:15,099 --> 00:40:12,020
was he ignorant as a gnostic would say

889
00:40:17,140 --> 00:40:15,109
he was taught a bunch of propaganda that

890
00:40:18,789 --> 00:40:17,150
the Jews were inferior was he just

891
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:18,799
somebody who was taught like the

892
00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:20,089
Japanese killed

893
00:40:24,670 --> 00:40:22,670
you know Bayon 18 Chinese babies when

894
00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:24,680
they invaded that he was just thought

895
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:27,230
the duty was the ultimate form of

896
00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:30,529
divinity and whatever was below it was

897
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:32,750
not evil as long as you were following

898
00:40:39,730 --> 00:40:36,170
the divine emperor of your country well

899
00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:39,740
let's lead it back to on decent

900
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:41,150
Christian bashing because I'm always

901
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:43,250
accused of Christian bashing

902
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:48,320
you're late oh yeah can't imagine if you

903
00:40:51,970 --> 00:40:50,690
know I had a guest on and I really

904
00:40:53,650 --> 00:40:51,980
appreciate having these guests and I

905
00:40:57,390 --> 00:40:53,660
liked him and respect him his name is

906
00:41:00,520 --> 00:40:57,400
russ dizdar and he's an evangelical

907
00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:00,530
minister but also has done some real

908
00:41:07,090 --> 00:41:04,150
boots-on-the-ground investigation and

909
00:41:09,310 --> 00:41:07,100
helping people recovering from satanic

910
00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:09,320
ritual abuse which is a real wringer

911
00:41:14,020 --> 00:41:12,470
because if you're involved in that no

912
00:41:17,050 --> 00:41:14,030
one wants to hear anything beyond

913
00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:17,060
satanic panic and it's like no that's

914
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:23,560
yeah yeah whether we can pack it back

915
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:28,240
into the biblical Satan is a whole other

916
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:32,470
question and I don't think we can but

917
00:41:36,370 --> 00:41:34,790
that's the jumping-off point and that's

918
00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:36,380
where it starts getting interesting and

919
00:41:39,550 --> 00:41:37,820
you can never get there right because

920
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:39,560
you have one side that's like not

921
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:41,810
happening couldn't happen can't possibly

922
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:45,650
happen because there is no evil there is

923
00:41:53,170 --> 00:41:50,290
no Satan you know I mean with University

924
00:41:55,810 --> 00:41:53,180
kind of standard kind of view and then

925
00:41:58,270 --> 00:41:55,820
the Christian on the other side view is

926
00:41:59,830 --> 00:41:58,280
oh no I'll tell you exactly how it

927
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,840
happened we just pulled the gospel out

928
00:42:03,790 --> 00:42:02,000
and this is the limited way that we can

929
00:42:05,770 --> 00:42:03,800
understand it and then you look at their

930
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,780
thing and they say they kind of have a

931
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:07,760
point I mean you did put Satan in there

932
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:09,730
as part of the ritual abuse thing so

933
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:13,490
that's right there you know it makes no

934
00:42:20,250 --> 00:42:16,490
sense though because you still having in

935
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:20,260
the Christian dispensation unless again

936
00:42:23,650 --> 00:42:22,310
evangelicals that I've met maybe this

937
00:42:25,330 --> 00:42:23,660
guy you talked to they're the honest

938
00:42:28,210 --> 00:42:25,340
ones because they do say if we read the

939
00:42:30,490 --> 00:42:28,220
Bible literally Satan is in charge of

940
00:42:32,830 --> 00:42:30,500
the kingdoms of the world and if we read

941
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:32,840
Paul the way Paul should be read the

942
00:42:37,330 --> 00:42:35,090
archons of powers and principalities are

943
00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:37,340
in charge of this world good has to come

944
00:42:43,150 --> 00:42:40,460
into this world in the form of Jesus so

945
00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:43,160
but most say well God is still in charge

946
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:45,470
and somehow he gives Satan this sort of

947
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:49,370
sadist this resentful angel a little bit

948
00:42:53,830 --> 00:42:51,530
of free will to sort of work his way

949
00:42:56,620 --> 00:42:53,840
here and work his way that and then run

950
00:42:59,350 --> 00:42:56,630
back to Hell which makes absolutely no

951
00:43:02,320 --> 00:42:59,360
and said even and then the question how

952
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,330
he's asking I said this what happens if

953
00:43:06,340 --> 00:43:04,160
Satan gets his hands on the book of

954
00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:06,350
Revelation and says holy [\h__\h] I don't

955
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:08,420
want this to end this way this doesn't

956
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:09,440
look good for me

957
00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:11,810
so whatever book of Revelation tells me

958
00:43:16,030 --> 00:43:13,640
I'm gonna do exactly the opposite well

959
00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:16,040
he has no choice well that goes right

960
00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:18,230
back to God right so Satan has no free

961
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,680
will

962
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,720
he's just a puppet like all of us of

963
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:22,880
some divine plan I mean now you've got

964
00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:25,130
like let's listen to Rush and the Sun

965
00:43:29,050 --> 00:43:26,830
free will

966
00:43:30,340 --> 00:43:29,060
what's they gonna take in another

967
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:30,350
direction yeah I'm gonna play this clip

968
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:32,570
in a second from Richard smoly

969
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:35,810
and I really appreciate his book I think

970
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:38,570
it's how God became God I might've even

971
00:43:43,570 --> 00:43:41,570
seen that is that it exactly okay and so

972
00:43:46,210 --> 00:43:43,580
you just go back back in history and it

973
00:43:47,650 --> 00:43:46,220
looks really tough I mean Satan just

974
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:47,660
looks right through your fingers right

975
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,390
so you go all the way back and get yo

976
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:52,880
way and the Thunder God and there's no

977
00:43:58,720 --> 00:43:55,970
Satan in these stories and then the

978
00:44:00,670 --> 00:43:58,730
zouri asters come in and the Egyptians

979
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:00,680
and some other stuff comes into the

980
00:44:06,970 --> 00:44:02,930
culture and all of a sudden same story

981
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:06,980
now there's a Satan well that's that

982
00:44:14,650 --> 00:44:11,570
folks is is like how we do literary

983
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:14,660
analysis slash archeology such and

984
00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:16,970
that's you can't get around that you

985
00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:19,640
can't put that Humpty Dumpty back on the

986
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:21,470
wall and that so you've interviewed

987
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:23,570
smuggling we're gonna talk about and I'm

988
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:25,910
gonna play this clip in a minute but

989
00:44:29,860 --> 00:44:27,410
what about that what about the

990
00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:29,870
historical Satan just know I think you

991
00:44:34,330 --> 00:44:32,300
hit it on the head I mean if you if you

992
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:34,340
read to like the book of Job and all

993
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:37,850
that Satan or even the stories of David

994
00:44:43,390 --> 00:44:40,400
Satan is just God's prosecutor he's sort

995
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:43,400
of God's tester of humans sometimes his

996
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:45,410
executioner he's one of the angels I

997
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:47,930
mean an early Christian text he's even

998
00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:49,910
called the firstborn he's really the

999
00:44:57,210 --> 00:44:55,400
gods right-hand enforcer and then you

1000
00:45:00,280 --> 00:44:57,220
have of course mixing in with

1001
00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:00,290
Zoroastrianism Zoroaster is one of the

1002
00:45:05,140 --> 00:45:03,380
most you know spiritual geniuses in all

1003
00:45:07,060 --> 00:45:05,150
of history because he came up with the

1004
00:45:09,799 --> 00:45:07,070
idea that this there is a force of good

1005
00:45:11,779 --> 00:45:09,809
and evil who are basically evenly

1006
00:45:14,089 --> 00:45:11,789
you've got arm on the Lord of Darkness

1007
00:45:16,249 --> 00:45:14,099
and Ahura Mazda the Lord of Light and

1008
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:16,259
they're in this fight of course now we

1009
00:45:21,979 --> 00:45:18,329
know that Mithras is sort of the God in

1010
00:45:23,959 --> 00:45:21,989
between working with it and this and of

1011
00:45:26,839 --> 00:45:23,969
course the idea of an apocalypse the

1012
00:45:28,549 --> 00:45:26,849
idea of a higher self or guardian angels

1013
00:45:31,849 --> 00:45:28,559
I mean he came up was a wrestler came it

1014
00:45:34,549 --> 00:45:31,859
was so much a genius and he definitely

1015
00:45:37,569 --> 00:45:34,559
affected when the Jews were in Babylon

1016
00:45:40,609 --> 00:45:37,579
and then the Persians came and liberated

1017
00:45:42,739 --> 00:45:40,619
Zoroastrianism came into their matrix

1018
00:45:46,339 --> 00:45:42,749
the Jewish matrix and Satan basically

1019
00:45:50,059 --> 00:45:46,349
got rebooted and to a new figure he

1020
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:50,069
became the bad guy he became dr. evil or

1021
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:53,130
your your Bond villain and but again

1022
00:45:57,259 --> 00:45:55,049
Christians can't make up their mind and

1023
00:46:00,140 --> 00:45:57,269
Lee sin Zoroastrianism there is so

1024
00:46:01,789 --> 00:46:00,150
they're evenly matched and we'll see

1025
00:46:04,279 --> 00:46:01,799
who's the smartest one at the end of the

1026
00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:04,289
day we assume good will be but in

1027
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:06,599
Christianity it's again well Satan's

1028
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:10,380
kind of has no power close to God but he

1029
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:12,569
still has his power to start wars and

1030
00:46:19,069 --> 00:46:16,140
pestilences and seduce people and then

1031
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:19,079
God's sort of allows them to do a [\h__\h]

1032
00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:21,900
but doesn't allow him but he has no free

1033
00:46:27,289 --> 00:46:24,630
will so it's a again we get a lot of

1034
00:46:30,019 --> 00:46:27,299
into a lot of theological Ekrem

1035
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,029
acrobatics that haven't helped the

1036
00:46:32,989 --> 00:46:31,920
sanity of Christianity for the last

1037
00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:32,999
2,000 years

1038
00:46:39,259 --> 00:46:36,119
let's close the satanic ritual abuse

1039
00:46:42,019 --> 00:46:39,269
thing because there's few people I can

1040
00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:42,029
kind of get to this level with and talk

1041
00:46:47,959 --> 00:46:44,670
about it like you're saying yeah it's

1042
00:46:50,479 --> 00:46:47,969
it's very real and so we take the

1043
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:50,489
realness of it which means there are

1044
00:46:57,979 --> 00:46:53,359
people who are actively engaged with

1045
00:47:02,359 --> 00:46:57,989
trying to connect with this spiritual

1046
00:47:04,489 --> 00:47:02,369
force that they feel is is bringing

1047
00:47:06,769 --> 00:47:04,499
something into their billion for gain

1048
00:47:09,019 --> 00:47:06,779
right for whether it's some kind of

1049
00:47:11,539 --> 00:47:09,029
sadistic pleasure or whatever but they

1050
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:11,549
what do we think went away and what do

1051
00:47:16,699 --> 00:47:14,880
we imagine is going on there in these

1052
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:16,709
two realms in between our realm and that

1053
00:47:19,690 --> 00:47:17,220
where

1054
00:47:24,070 --> 00:47:19,700
and then you know in kind of a

1055
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:24,080
co-creation of reality way if we think

1056
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:26,210
that Satan slips through our fingers

1057
00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:29,730
historically but they are going with

1058
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:32,700
some kind of biblical definition of that

1059
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:35,760
entity what is that telling us about

1060
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:38,940
that ultimate reality yeah I know you

1061
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:41,250
get what I'm saying in this yeah they're

1062
00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:43,410
naming it Satan but I don't think

1063
00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:45,000
they're even getting to the biblical

1064
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:47,790
Satan make sure I'm sure what I'm saying

1065
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:49,770
like you go talk to Russ dizdar right

1066
00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:53,280
and Russ good guy law enforcement God

1067
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:55,230
worked in law enforcement was a chaplain

1068
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:57,540
but also taught at you know law

1069
00:48:03,260 --> 00:48:00,180
enforcement police academy kind of stuff

1070
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:03,270
and still teaches courses on satanic

1071
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:05,849
ritual abuse and he's like Alex this is

1072
00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:08,730
not in a lot of these guys matrix their

1073
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:10,230
worldview and that's why I have to go

1074
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:13,170
teach it they get to the scene and they

1075
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:15,810
don't know an inverted pentagram from

1076
00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:18,240
Wicca symbol and all the rest of this he

1077
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:21,300
goes where I live he's a good guy I

1078
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,310
liked him he's like you know there's a

1079
00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:26,160
we have gangs here in Ohio gangs have

1080
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:27,990
different signs if you don't understand

1081
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,710
the gang signs the gang graffiti the

1082
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:33,839
dress you're going to be kind of on the

1083
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:40,410
outside of in Chicago and same but his

1084
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,330
point is what is well-taken he says

1085
00:48:47,420 --> 00:48:44,640
there is a there is a reality to this

1086
00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:47,430
that's kind of inescapable and part of

1087
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:51,180
that reality is that they claim to be

1088
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:56,010
connecting with Satan and they'll you

1089
00:49:02,359 --> 00:48:59,599
know in Latin they'll be saying say yeah

1090
00:49:04,940 --> 00:49:02,369
rituals and we'll be doing so what do we

1091
00:49:08,660 --> 00:49:04,950
think is going on there I mean is it a

1092
00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:08,670
Tulpa co-creation like if you want to if

1093
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:10,740
you want a manifest saying it's you can

1094
00:49:15,260 --> 00:49:13,170
get again that's another wrinkle to it

1095
00:49:18,050 --> 00:49:15,270
the whole idea of egregores or told us

1096
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:18,060
that if we believe something our psychic

1097
00:49:23,150 --> 00:49:20,490
energy will create this entity and this

1098
00:49:24,859 --> 00:49:23,160
being to do our will so that's

1099
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,869
definitely another wrinkle to it and if

1100
00:49:29,060 --> 00:49:26,640
you have a lot of jerks doing it then

1101
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:29,070
they will create everything like one of

1102
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:30,660
the biggest religions right

1103
00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:33,480
in North America santim with the goddess

1104
00:49:41,060 --> 00:49:37,560
of death is rising very popular could we

1105
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:41,070
consider her evil she is the interview

1106
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:43,170
you did it with a woman who is that oh

1107
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:46,110
my god I forgot her name I have her book

1108
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:49,680
- yes I have to look but yes she wrote a

1109
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:51,930
great book on Santa Muerte and there's

1110
00:49:56,060 --> 00:49:53,610
other scholars that are coming with

1111
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:56,070
great word because this is a didi or an

1112
00:50:00,740 --> 00:49:58,770
entity that's becoming very popular so

1113
00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:00,750
and it could be like the Neil Gaiman

1114
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:03,750
concept you have these weak entities but

1115
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,640
the more we believe and the more power

1116
00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:07,920
we give them we surrounded will surround

1117
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:09,540
them with our psychic power with our

1118
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:12,330
belief with everything else I think I

1119
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:15,180
had James true recently and he made a

1120
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:17,610
good argument that whether it's the

1121
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:20,520
leads or the spirits they they they feed

1122
00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:22,980
on our belief our very pran that when we

1123
00:50:26,380 --> 00:50:24,390
believe in something we're giving them

1124
00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:26,390
or pran and we're giving them power

1125
00:50:32,660 --> 00:50:30,390
interesting so kind of winding it back

1126
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:32,670
to the Christian thing and the Christian

1127
00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:35,130
bashing we've already done some

1128
00:50:38,860 --> 00:50:37,350
Christian bashing without even realizing

1129
00:50:41,570 --> 00:50:38,870
it see we think we're just talking about

1130
00:50:43,820 --> 00:50:41,580
history here and we're actually bashing

1131
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:43,830
bashing bashing we kind of standing up

1132
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:45,420
for Satan in the Bible which was weird

1133
00:50:57,260 --> 00:50:52,140
but whatever cuz what are we supposed to

1134
00:51:00,410 --> 00:50:57,270
believe God got mad the human race for

1135
00:51:03,830 --> 00:51:00,420
eating a piece of fruit in Armenia 6,000

1136
00:51:06,110 --> 00:51:03,840
years ago he got so mad of the human

1137
00:51:08,140 --> 00:51:06,120
race but he condemned everybody to

1138
00:51:10,580 --> 00:51:08,150
eternal damnation

1139
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:10,590
except he kind of felt bad about this

1140
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:13,110
afternoon so he felt a part of himself

1141
00:51:15,860 --> 00:51:14,010
down

1142
00:51:18,830 --> 00:51:15,870
they had it tortured to death which

1143
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:18,840
somehow made it all alright except not

1144
00:51:21,650 --> 00:51:20,940
really because if you don't buy this

1145
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:21,660
story

1146
00:51:27,260 --> 00:51:24,390
you're still gonna fry forever does that

1147
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:27,270
make any sense in any kind of course it

1148
00:51:33,860 --> 00:51:31,050
doesn't it's phrased in first elaborate

1149
00:51:39,110 --> 00:51:33,870
theologies and rituals and doxologies

1150
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,120
but a still ridiculous story so tell us

1151
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:42,480
about this interview and just as much as

1152
00:51:46,350 --> 00:51:44,070
you like to tell us about

1153
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:46,360
yeah it was a great interview I went

1154
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:48,910
down to the Theosophical Society down in

1155
00:51:54,090 --> 00:51:52,210
Wheaton over here and Richard works

1156
00:51:56,550 --> 00:51:54,100
there and we grabbed one of the rooms

1157
00:51:59,790 --> 00:51:56,560
and we did a one-on-one interview on his

1158
00:52:02,370 --> 00:51:59,800
new book on the theology of love which

1159
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:02,380
is based on a course with miracles and

1160
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:03,730
of course at the time Marianne

1161
00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:05,890
Williamson was a candidate she was very

1162
00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:09,430
popular a lot of interest so his book

1163
00:52:14,490 --> 00:52:11,950
basically talks about the start of it is

1164
00:52:16,530 --> 00:52:14,500
how Christianity has failed traditional

1165
00:52:18,090 --> 00:52:16,540
Christianity has failed you and I have

1166
00:52:23,130 --> 00:52:18,100
already made some points in this

1167
00:52:25,290 --> 00:52:23,140
interview and how a more different type

1168
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:25,300
you could even say psychological or

1169
00:52:30,030 --> 00:52:27,490
cerebral a form of Christianity like a

1170
00:52:32,310 --> 00:52:30,040
Course in Miracles is more suited for

1171
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:32,320
the modern times and of course he talks

1172
00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:33,490
that we're talking about evil he's

1173
00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:35,350
talking about the book of Genesis God

1174
00:52:40,890 --> 00:52:39,160
gets mad at a couple of people dams him

1175
00:52:43,140 --> 00:52:40,900
for life and then he has to basically

1176
00:52:46,830 --> 00:52:43,150
turn himself into a human and commit

1177
00:52:49,860 --> 00:52:46,840
suicide to release us from a prison that

1178
00:52:53,310 --> 00:52:49,870
he himself cast into us and it's a great

1179
00:52:55,260 --> 00:52:53,320
lesson of how gullible human beings are

1180
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:55,270
I mean if people bought that then I

1181
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:56,770
think at one point I'm sure you and I

1182
00:53:02,250 --> 00:52:59,490
bought it I know I did when I was a kid

1183
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:02,260
millions of billions of people buy it if

1184
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:04,450
we can buy such a story with so many

1185
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:07,630
holes theological holes people will

1186
00:53:11,490 --> 00:53:09,370
believe anything and don't believe

1187
00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:11,500
something that's even maybe even dumber

1188
00:53:17,250 --> 00:53:14,470
or a little bit smarter but again this

1189
00:53:18,570 --> 00:53:17,260
idea of how we're all doomed as really

1190
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:18,580
failed and one of the reasons

1191
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,550
Christianity is going the traditional

1192
00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:23,200
Christianity is going the way of the

1193
00:53:29,130 --> 00:53:27,100
dodo with you right up until the end

1194
00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:29,140
they're going the way of the dodo I'm

1195
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:32,470
not sure because what I thought was so

1196
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:35,590
fantastic about that is a religious

1197
00:53:42,090 --> 00:53:39,250
scholar of his reputed just being so

1198
00:53:44,820 --> 00:53:42,100
direct because we just can't get people

1199
00:53:48,020 --> 00:53:44,830
just to talk directly so many times you

1200
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:48,030
certainly do but this is an insane

1201
00:53:55,650 --> 00:53:51,910
cosmology this doesn't make any sense

1202
00:53:57,690 --> 00:53:55,660
and it's ingrained into the fabric of

1203
00:54:00,720 --> 00:53:57,700
our culture you cannot

1204
00:54:02,850 --> 00:54:00,730
elected to any office unless you agree

1205
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:02,860
with this you read the quotes of the

1206
00:54:08,910 --> 00:54:05,770
last four personally the Obama quote on

1207
00:54:11,610 --> 00:54:08,920
his belief in Jesus your think you're at

1208
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:11,620
a big tent revival it's incredibly

1209
00:54:17,610 --> 00:54:15,790
over-the-top Jesus Savior son of almost

1210
00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:17,620
open you want to hear something shocking

1211
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:19,750
you know that Republican congressman I

1212
00:54:25,350 --> 00:54:22,510
think Dan Crenshaw he's got the iPad she

1213
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:25,360
lost it in the Afghanistan war of all

1214
00:54:29,850 --> 00:54:26,710
and I don't like him I don't like

1215
00:54:31,290 --> 00:54:29,860
neo-cons very much but he was in an

1216
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:31,300
interview and asked him what do you

1217
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:33,000
think of Jesus he said well he's an

1218
00:54:38,250 --> 00:54:36,010
archetypal hero he's the image of a

1219
00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:38,260
force I was like it's the first time

1220
00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:39,820
I've seen a politician go

1221
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,720
Joseph Campbell Gnostic young to the

1222
00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:45,520
mainstream media it's like that gives a

1223
00:54:53,570 --> 00:54:50,560
little hope doesn't it Alex he's a

1224
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:53,580
godless he's in Congress I mean he's

1225
00:55:02,400 --> 00:54:58,810
he'll never be President it's like you

1226
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:02,410
know whether SPO we have engage

1227
00:55:07,380 --> 00:55:04,690
president I mean we've got somebody who

1228
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:07,390
was a church of norman vincent peale

1229
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:09,730
donald trump I mean the Trump is not a

1230
00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:12,910
Christian he's a New Ager well not

1231
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,950
according to what he not what he speaks

1232
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:17,200
now right I mean he he kind of sings are

1233
00:55:22,530 --> 00:55:19,690
different to now which is you know I

1234
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:22,540
mean I don't want to go too far on the

1235
00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:24,490
presidential thing because I guess the

1236
00:55:27,540 --> 00:55:26,950
the little hair splitting that I do with

1237
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:27,550
you on that

1238
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:32,010
is I think we have to be an honest about

1239
00:55:38,190 --> 00:55:35,710
cults and how Christianity is a cult I

1240
00:55:41,550 --> 00:55:38,200
mean they're just no two ways about it

1241
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:41,560
how do you define cult that that's often

1242
00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:43,570
that's what everyone throws up you know

1243
00:55:47,730 --> 00:55:45,400
what's colors you know what's called how

1244
00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:47,740
do you define it it's like I think a

1245
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:52,990
certain collection of evidential points

1246
00:55:57,810 --> 00:55:55,390
kind of pile up to the point where you

1247
00:56:02,190 --> 00:55:57,820
see so you start pulling it apart you

1248
00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:02,200
say okay is Catholicism a cult at this

1249
00:56:08,210 --> 00:56:06,790
point is the kind of outing of the kind

1250
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:08,220
of rotten to the core

1251
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:11,250
institutionalized sex trafficking sex

1252
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:13,710
use all the way up to the Pope does that

1253
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,130
suggest that at some institutional level

1254
00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:19,200
it's completely different than what it

1255
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:22,470
appears to be is this starting to sound

1256
00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:25,770
like a cult you know is there people who

1257
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:28,200
have been entrained over a period of

1258
00:56:31,940 --> 00:56:30,450
time to kind of respond to certainly you

1259
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:31,950
know is this starting to sound like a

1260
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:35,040
cult so when when people get kind of

1261
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:37,410
triggered with the term cult I don't

1262
00:56:46,790 --> 00:56:41,850
like the cult definition that I get from

1263
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:46,800
an academic religious studies group that

1264
00:56:51,050 --> 00:56:48,570
doesn't even acknowledge that

1265
00:56:53,930 --> 00:56:51,060
consciousness exists I mean there's like

1266
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:53,940
but that doesn't even fly so that's the

1267
00:57:00,050 --> 00:56:57,000
conclusion I come from from Richard

1268
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:00,060
Smolin that sounds cultish when you have

1269
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:03,690
a cosmology that is that absurdly insane

1270
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:07,530
and it's completely absorbed into the

1271
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:08,370
system

1272
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:11,250
there are cultish elements at play there

1273
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:12,900
in my opinion but you might disagree

1274
00:57:18,110 --> 00:57:15,690
tell me how you know I mean it's again

1275
00:57:21,110 --> 00:57:18,120
its interpretation not everybody in

1276
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:21,120
ancient Christianity really saw it that

1277
00:57:24,620 --> 00:57:22,800
way the Gnostics didn't even see that

1278
00:57:26,570 --> 00:57:24,630
way there are different variations of

1279
00:57:29,180 --> 00:57:26,580
the book of Genesis this is something

1280
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:29,190
that was even later on in early

1281
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:31,650
Christianity the way it said I mean even

1282
00:57:35,690 --> 00:57:34,530
if you look at the text the serpent

1283
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:35,700
there's nothing in there that says that

1284
00:57:40,550 --> 00:57:38,210
the serpent is Satan that's like a later

1285
00:57:43,730 --> 00:57:40,560
edition the serpent was just some sort

1286
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:43,740
of trickster spirit or animal that was

1287
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:46,170
in there so and Christians had debates

1288
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:47,910
of what it meant and what it did it's

1289
00:57:53,570 --> 00:57:50,930
again those who were able to weaponize

1290
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:53,580
Christianity and it's almost like if

1291
00:57:59,180 --> 00:57:56,400
they come up with the most insane or

1292
00:58:01,280 --> 00:57:59,190
ludicrous idea and they can get people

1293
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:01,290
to believe it that shows how powerful

1294
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:04,890
they are but it also shows it really

1295
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:06,690
makes them I think it makes them giggle

1296
00:58:10,550 --> 00:58:08,460
that they were to get away with such not

1297
00:58:13,610 --> 00:58:10,560
and it brings cognitive dissonance to

1298
00:58:15,850 --> 00:58:13,620
people down the road because all of us

1299
00:58:18,110 --> 00:58:15,860
who've gotten out of religion or these

1300
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:18,120
oppressive other religions or

1301
00:58:23,180 --> 00:58:20,370
traditional illusions we were also

1302
00:58:24,020 --> 00:58:23,190
almost in pain and we questioned and it

1303
00:58:26,090 --> 00:58:24,030
would hurt

1304
00:58:29,450 --> 00:58:26,100
our heads and our psyches like what's

1305
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:29,460
the flood and killing babies and I don't

1306
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:31,950
you know in it it causes damage to our

1307
00:58:35,740 --> 00:58:33,510
psyche and maybe we're just easily

1308
00:58:38,050 --> 00:58:35,750
controlled by the more ludicrous ideas

1309
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:38,060
that's kind of an interesting idea

1310
00:58:48,110 --> 00:58:42,960
here's a quote that is right out of a on

1311
00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:48,120
bite it's our friend hitting the bottom

1312
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:50,910
isn't a weekend retreat it's not a

1313
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:53,610
goddamn seminar stop trying to control

1314
00:59:03,320 --> 00:58:58,650
everything and just let go tell us about

1315
00:59:06,620 --> 00:59:03,330
that quote and yeah I love the great

1316
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:06,630
Gnostic Saga and that's uh it's what

1317
00:59:11,060 --> 00:59:09,210
else is Tyler Durden say it's only after

1318
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:11,070
you've lost everything that you can do

1319
00:59:15,260 --> 00:59:13,170
anything and of course this you find

1320
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:15,270
this saying in Buddhism and so many

1321
00:59:20,180 --> 00:59:17,910
traditions that the only way to see

1322
00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:20,190
heaven in a wild flower infinity and a

1323
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:22,920
grain of sand is just a let go of all

1324
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:26,880
the conditioning the material delights

1325
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:29,130
of this world and just see the universe

1326
00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:31,890
how it is and of course for many of us

1327
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,440
it's the old does the caterpillar looks

1328
00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:37,440
like it dies which is rock-bottom but

1329
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,390
what it is is simply the the ultimate

1330
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:41,760
collapse of the ego and the rise of the

1331
00:59:47,210 --> 00:59:44,130
Spirit so I think that's what to me

1332
00:59:51,950 --> 00:59:47,220
tyler.durand they say just let go of the

1333
00:59:54,410 --> 00:59:51,960
wheel wheel of karma so we're one poke

1334
00:59:57,620 --> 00:59:54,420
is I want to explore the possibility

1335
01:00:01,610 --> 00:59:57,630
that the occult or maybe even some of

1336
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:01,620
the Gnostic spin on this and especially

1337
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:06,000
the magic as it's been popularized in as

1338
01:00:11,180 --> 01:00:07,410
if you know coming out so strong right

1339
01:00:13,940 --> 01:00:11,190
now is a giant misstep in the same way

1340
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:13,950
that you kind of jump to both sides of

1341
01:00:20,690 --> 01:00:17,370
that Tyler Durden quote the quote is

1342
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:20,700
great the movie takes us in a different

1343
01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:23,310
direction we don't have to take it that

1344
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:23,910
way

1345
01:00:33,100 --> 01:00:27,510
so from a yogic from a non-dual

1346
01:00:35,330 --> 01:00:33,110
standpoint I am the creator of this

1347
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:35,340
illusion that's going on in my

1348
01:00:40,669 --> 01:00:36,609
consciousness but

1349
01:00:44,819 --> 01:00:40,679
the liberation of that isn't to do

1350
01:00:48,209 --> 01:00:44,829
sketchy stuff it's just to truly let it

1351
01:00:51,179 --> 01:00:48,219
go and not participate in it to not try

1352
01:00:54,419 --> 01:00:51,189
and gain more power but to let go in a

1353
01:00:58,469 --> 01:00:54,429
way that seems markedly different from

1354
01:01:01,979 --> 01:00:58,479
the way I see the occult being offered

1355
01:01:02,579 --> 01:01:01,989
as the occult weekend retreat the magic

1356
01:01:06,479 --> 01:01:02,589
weekend

1357
01:01:08,130 --> 01:01:06,489
retreat yeah the narrator who's late

1358
01:01:09,779 --> 01:01:08,140
obviously find out to be Tyler Durden

1359
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:09,789
it's a struggle with him in his higher

1360
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:12,880
self is trying to get away from the

1361
01:01:18,269 --> 01:01:15,640
consumer society and all that in that

1362
01:01:21,029 --> 01:01:18,279
scene that the quote is from is when

1363
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:21,039
they're driving and they decide to put

1364
01:01:24,509 --> 01:01:22,839
on their seatbelts and Tyler says I'm

1365
01:01:27,239 --> 01:01:24,519
not gonna drive and wherever the car

1366
01:01:29,699 --> 01:01:27,249
takes us it will takes us it crashes

1367
01:01:32,219 --> 01:01:29,709
there survives and Tyler says we just

1368
01:01:35,069 --> 01:01:32,229
had a near life experience saying that

1369
01:01:37,229 --> 01:01:35,079
sometimes the rush of letting go and the

1370
01:01:39,569 --> 01:01:37,239
danger of letting go that itself as a

1371
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,579
metaphor I think it's it's an incredible

1372
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:41,920
movie well I think it's incredible

1373
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:43,839
moving what I'm reaching for is

1374
01:01:49,739 --> 01:01:45,609
something a little bit different I'm a

1375
01:01:53,489 --> 01:01:49,749
big Michael singer untethered soul fan I

1376
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:53,499
like the way he kind of talks about this

1377
01:02:01,189 --> 01:01:56,410
you know big non dual transformation and

1378
01:02:06,359 --> 01:02:01,199
that that that letting go in that sense

1379
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,369
isn't a rush isn't a fantastic

1380
01:02:10,380 --> 01:02:07,839
experience it's an uncomfortable

1381
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:10,390
experience because what you're letting

1382
01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:13,209
go of is the pattern that you've held on

1383
01:02:18,989 --> 01:02:16,150
to to either hold on to something good

1384
01:02:22,890 --> 01:02:18,999
or to push away something bad and the

1385
01:02:25,469 --> 01:02:22,900
process of letting go is a difficult one

1386
01:02:28,109 --> 01:02:25,479
in a different way than I think I care

1387
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:28,119
from the ocultist generally and

1388
01:02:32,489 --> 01:02:30,609
especially the magic people who are

1389
01:02:34,769 --> 01:02:32,499
doing this backdoor materialism thing

1390
01:02:37,319 --> 01:02:34,779
it's like you were going to do magic so

1391
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:37,329
that you can gain more power no [\h__\h]

1392
01:02:42,089 --> 01:02:40,329
that I don't want more power what I want

1393
01:02:46,650 --> 01:02:42,099
is you know that the Michael singer

1394
01:02:49,319 --> 01:02:46,660
story is this it's like your first

1395
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:49,329
girlfriend and you're in love with her

1396
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:52,089
and the next day you're driving through

1397
01:02:57,930 --> 01:02:55,359
town and you see lo and behold you see a

1398
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:57,940
blue Corvette and you see her head going

1399
01:03:04,949 --> 01:03:00,880
down on the driver's side and you're

1400
01:03:08,279 --> 01:03:04,959
like oh my god she's cheating on me with

1401
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:08,289
that guy in a blue Corvette and what

1402
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:11,049
happens is from now on whenever you see

1403
01:03:16,589 --> 01:03:13,839
a blue Corvette even when you're a 50

1404
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:16,599
year old man you still you can't you

1405
01:03:22,469 --> 01:03:18,609
don't even realize it something's going

1406
01:03:24,479 --> 01:03:22,479
on well the thing is it wasn't really

1407
01:03:27,569 --> 01:03:24,489
your girlfriend out of her you just

1408
01:03:29,609 --> 01:03:27,579
thought it looked like her blue Corvette

1409
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,619
got in there and you don't know how that

1410
01:03:35,699 --> 01:03:32,160
got in there and your entire existence

1411
01:03:38,930 --> 01:03:35,709
the entire me that you've created inside

1412
01:03:41,370 --> 01:03:38,940
your head is just a series of things

1413
01:03:43,319 --> 01:03:41,380
misrepresentations and misunderstandings

1414
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:43,329
and then when I hear not when I hear

1415
01:03:47,459 --> 01:03:45,039
totally occult in the magic it's just

1416
01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:47,469
adding on to that it's like okay well no

1417
01:03:51,299 --> 01:03:49,150
we can get you out of that we just need

1418
01:03:54,839 --> 01:03:51,309
more power and more this instead of

1419
01:03:58,229 --> 01:03:54,849
saying no what we need to do is undo

1420
01:04:02,219 --> 01:03:58,239
that by realizing that there might be

1421
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:02,229
that divine spark that you talk about so

1422
01:04:08,759 --> 01:04:05,039
often on your on your show which is

1423
01:04:11,219 --> 01:04:08,769
always there and there's there's no need

1424
01:04:14,819 --> 01:04:11,229
to do anything it's addition by

1425
01:04:17,699 --> 01:04:14,829
subtraction of taking away what we've

1426
01:04:21,630 --> 01:04:17,709
become you know what we think we'd

1427
01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:21,640
become by thinking and you know I think

1428
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:24,910
that's well said Alex it's again whether

1429
01:04:29,309 --> 01:04:27,690
it's the magician most people don't want

1430
01:04:31,140 --> 01:04:29,319
transformation they don't want no

1431
01:04:33,479 --> 01:04:31,150
chemical they just want to add a little

1432
01:04:35,819 --> 01:04:33,489
bit more or make life a little bit more

1433
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:35,829
bearable take away a little bit of the

1434
01:04:40,729 --> 01:04:38,319
pain so I can make it through the day so

1435
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:40,739
Miguel it's been absolutely terrific

1436
01:04:44,489 --> 01:04:42,729
having your on and I appreciate you

1437
01:04:47,459 --> 01:04:44,499
spending so much time with this tell

1438
01:04:49,259 --> 01:04:47,469
folks anything that might be going on at

1439
01:04:53,279 --> 01:04:49,269
beyond bite that they should look out

1440
01:04:56,370 --> 01:04:53,289
for and anything else in your life no I

1441
01:04:58,949 --> 01:04:56,380
think I am the show is really growing an

1442
01:05:01,499 --> 01:04:58,959
incredible guest this year on topics

1443
01:05:04,889 --> 01:05:01,509
which I hope to be addiction

1444
01:05:08,969 --> 01:05:04,899
mental disease with the usual Gnostic

1445
01:05:11,969 --> 01:05:08,979
tinge and great show I again will be

1446
01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:11,979
doing a lot of YouTube lives increasing

1447
01:05:16,949 --> 01:05:14,529
the podcast and making myself more

1448
01:05:19,139 --> 01:05:16,959
available in online communities as we

1449
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:19,149
try to get through this crazy year so

1450
01:05:23,279 --> 01:05:21,249
it's been grabbing like Richard smoly

1451
01:05:25,469 --> 01:05:23,289
show which I did live other things

1452
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:25,479
videos that I did where the gods I'm

1453
01:05:31,529 --> 01:05:28,809
sort of um I'm grabbing these as they

1454
01:05:34,259 --> 01:05:31,539
come and just going for it taking more

1455
01:05:36,059 --> 01:05:34,269
risks so look for more risk for a young

1456
01:05:38,669 --> 01:05:36,069
bite this year including hopefully this

1457
01:05:42,479 --> 01:05:38,679
other podcast which I would like to call

1458
01:05:44,579 --> 01:05:42,489
it finding Hermes because and going

1459
01:05:47,249 --> 01:05:44,589
right back to Richard smoly he's the one

1460
01:05:49,259 --> 01:05:47,259
who said look her me says both the god

1461
01:05:51,269 --> 01:05:49,269
of the mind and the god of the tricks

1462
01:05:55,469 --> 01:05:51,279
the Greeks did this on purpose because

1463
01:05:58,139 --> 01:05:55,479
the greatest trickster is is the mind

1464
01:06:00,839 --> 01:05:58,149
greater than any Satan or any Demiurge

1465
01:06:02,489 --> 01:06:00,849
our mind will pay tricks and you and I

1466
01:06:04,829 --> 01:06:02,499
have talked about in the show people who

1467
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:04,839
have completely diluted themselves

1468
01:06:10,649 --> 01:06:07,569
countries nations religions will just

1469
01:06:13,259 --> 01:06:10,659
blink and end up in ignorant and self

1470
01:06:15,299 --> 01:06:13,269
delusion so finding Hermes is I think

1471
01:06:18,149 --> 01:06:15,309
something our society should do a little